Mark Cuban against start ups

Mark Cuban has a blog post up where he shows that he thinks the government should encourage people to work at steady 250k a year jobs rather than getting a job in a potentially successful start up where they are often paid via high capital gains.  He tries to justify this by calling it "earned money" vs. "found money" but his definition of "found money" sounds awfully similar to something that would impact early employees in a successful start up.

The disparity in wealth in this country does not come on the backs of people making 250k, or even 500k or 1mm per year FROM THEIR JOBS. The ever increasing delta between the rich and everyone else does not come from EARNED INCOME at all. It comes from found money.

Found money is when an internet bubble hits and the options you got for 1 dollar are sold for 250. It comes from buying a stock for $1 and seeing it turn into a “10 bagger”. It comes from hitting the lottery. It doesn’t matter whether you were smart or lucky, it is money you FOUND based on good fortune.

He seems to assume that everyone making enough income from multi-hundred percent capital gains for it to be called "found money" is in league with him or Steve Jobs. 
When I sold broadcast.com does anyone seriously think I would have cared if the tax on my FOUND money was 10pct or 20pct more ? Hell no. Would I have made any decisions differently, HELL NO.
But he sets the bar to impact people much lower than that level.

For long term capital gains, it would be more difficult, but I would tax it at a gain greater than $1mm or a basis equal to the compounded CPI for every year held, against a 300pct increase and reduce the GOT LUCKY percentage to 20pct..

He'd have to raise the bar much higher if he wants good people to continue focus on building companies. I know a lot of people who have had to choose between the start up world and the corporate consulting/finance world. Passing a law like this would make it much easier for them to decide to avoid start ups.  

But even with a higher bar, that would only incentivize founders of moderately successful companies to focus on generating cash flow for income and dividend payments sooner than they would otherwise chose to because they would be hit hard by high "Found money" gains if they let their capital appreciate by too much. If raising taxes is the goal, raising it from some of the most productive people by calling it "found money" or a "lucky tax" might sound good but it probably won't work out in practice when the second order effects beyond its impact on Steve Jobs and Mark Cuban are considered.
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Your remark about second order effects hits the nail on the head. Sure, under the "Cuban tax reform" plan, startups would still be founded, but there would be a greater role for exchange funds and other tax avoidance schemes.

In fact, some of the talented people who work at startups would be diverted to the invention of such schemes. I'm sure this is not the effect that Cuban had hoped for.

The taxes proposed by Cuban are such an absurd idea. He wants to tax the activity, creating wealth, that creates the most new jobs and the most wealth. Really stupid and disgusting.
Yah, to me it seems like an attempt at a Warren Buffet style publicity stunt where the rich person emphasizes how opposed they are to the system that made them rich in order to try to gain public approval.
I agree that the commnets by Cuban are just to put himself on the correct (Liberal) side of the political spectrum. In the case of Buffet, he just does not know any better. He is great at valuations, but does not really understand economics on a marco scale. He is a liberal from the 50s & 60s for civil rights and other settled issues. He just does not appreciate that they are settled.
There is an alternative motivation for Cuban's commentary, which I believe I owe to Peter, but I can't be certain of the original source. The basic thesis is that personal wealth beyond a certain point, say $10M, is largely positional. It follows from this assumption that an elitist billionaire would be highly motivated to keep those annoying losers with a net worth of less than $10M away from his private beachfront and relegate them to the luxury hotels where they belong. The way to do this is to prevent them from increasing their net worth too much.

Since the elitist billionaire has a much greater ability to shift money offshore and obtain favorable tax treatment, he will be relatively insensitive to the tax code. Thus, favoring higher taxes not only allows Cuban to don the cloak of egalitarianism but also to serve the interests of the elite to which he belongs.

Of course this is just a narrative, a possible reason that Cuban could be motivated to post as he does.

It is also possible that he could have examined his motivations, be aware of the narratives we've discussed, and sincerely believe what he wrote.